Wewt Lewt Sucks

     I had planned for this to be a topic at a later date but some things changed my mind. We all know and despise Public Enemy #1 Loot Drama.

     Loot drama has killed more guilds than anything else in the history of gaming. Last night we were on a progression run in Blackwing Descent. (Yes we are behind the curve) And Chimaeron had been giving us some headaches. First the tanking roles had to be worked out and then the healers had to learn not to heal over 10k hp etc. We have a lot of new raiders so every fight has some extra learning time involved.

     We finally downed the boss on attempt #14 total. We had 2 items drop. Some plate healing armor which went to the 1 paladin in the group and a wand. We had 1 caster dps and 2 priest heals. The DPS passed and the 2 priests rolled. however after looking at gear we noticed that the wand was a huge upgrade for one of the priest (he had a Green) and a very small upgrade for the other. We asked the better geared priest who won the roll to let the other priest have it since it would be a huge upgrade and wands are nothing but stat sticks anyways. he refused by saying I won the roll so I get it.

     Now I expect this from pugs but this was a guild only run. I really had the desire to award the loot to the lesser geared one but I have a reputation to uphold and our guild uses a high roll win loot system.

     Is there something wrong with me still feeling upset about this one players greed even now 24 hours after the raid? This guy had a gearscore of 9400 vs 8500 for the other one, However the higher geared priest did less heals, Could/Would not follow instructions and caused multiple delays in the raid due to various afk’s he had to take along with talking into his cellphone during one battle. The higher geared priest rarely runs with the guild and this was the first time he has been in BWD with us. The other priest had been there for all 13 attempts and knew his class better than the higher geared one.

     In my mind there is no doubt that the wand would have helped the raid more in the lesser geared priests hands. But our GM made these loot rules and I follow them.

     I personally am a fan of EPGP (Effort Points/GearPoints) Which basically means that the person who contributes more gets priority on loot. Had we been using EpGP the wand would have gone to the right person because he put more effort into downing the boss. Now granted all loot systems have their flaws and one of the big one in any system is integrating the casual players and new player into the system. It is true that the casual players will not get geared as fast as the main raiders but for success don’t the main raiders need to be the best geared? New players would have to wait a long time to get top-level gear but they would have almost free run over the farm gear so they would gear up quickly. And as with any loot system you can always reset the system when new content comes out to start everyone from an even footing.

     I have run with epgp in the past and found it to give even distribution and much less grumbling. Sure the hunter ahead of me got the piece he wanted but now he is behind me so I get dibs.

     This loot fight basically bombed the raid for the night because everyone was at each others throats.

     Loot gives me Headaches

     If anyone has better loot ideas let me know Please


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Been Making Azeroth Dangerous since Burning Crusade

Posted on July 22, 2011, in loot, Progression. Bookmark the permalink. 1 Comment.

  1. heyho

    were using the loot council-system. how it works:
    the officers decide who is getting the item. the raidleader suggests a player to give it to (in officer-channel) and the other officers / the gm agree or if not discuss it SHORTLY in officer-channel. if you can not come to a conclusion within a minute or so, the raidleader decides who’s getting it.
    the rules I follow when distributing loot:
    1. the first factor for me is: who is always in the raids and who is not. oviously, loot is wasted when the player is only raiding once in 3 months.
    2. where is your raid struggling? when you have enough dps (not players, dmg on the boss) but your healers can barely keep the tanks alive, hand it over to the heals
    3. difference in itemlvl, the bigger the difference the more he should receive it.
    4. BIS for anyone? if yes –> give it to him/her
    5. roll for it

    for me its like a checklist, if 1 doesn’t matter, apply rule 2, if 2 doesn’t matter/is equal, apply rule 3 and so on. but always keep in mind that everyone wants loot, so don’t lose your good shadow-priest because your pumping your healers with cloth-gear he also needs. everyone wants his loot, even if all say “naa loot is not important to me”

    the system requires quite a lot of trust in the officers, but in my opinion its really fair and helping the raid most, unless your raidlead/officers are jerks that give items to people they like more than others…

    so far, have a nice day 🙂


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